Photo: © Janette Beckman (portrait)
I think a lot about the Civil Rights Movement, and how we've come a long way in terms of race relations, but still have so much work to do. You see things going on today that were happening 50 years ago, like, have we learned nothing? As artists, it's our job to shine a light on some of that stuff. I'm starting to do it more and more these days.
I've found that even making [American flag artworks] is a statement. I started doing them as an homage to Americana, but then I find myself at a time in America when the flag means one thing to a certain group of people and something different to another group of people.
Something that can convey a powerful message in a very, very simple way and stand the test of time, because things constantly change, evolve, and shift. I've learned that the hardest thing is to sell somebody on something simple, because everybody thinks they can do it themselves.
I love good, clean design, like the I Love New York logo created by Milton Glaser. Strange as it sounds, we haven't redesigned the American flag yet and it's been around a long time. I love the graphics at Equinox, the logo is really beautiful. It's powerful and bold and you can see it from far away. People are busy and have short attention spans, so you have to convey a message in a split second, because that's all the time that people are going to give you.
I've been working with Equinox for a couple of years now. I have a giant black American flag piece at Equinox Sports Club in West LA. Equinox is one of those best in brands, so for me, working with them is always a treat. Every time I go into one of the clubs, I marvel at the details. Each one has unique characteristics of the building itself, not just cookie cutter models that look all the same. They're fully equipped to get the job done for anybody that's in the space.
Right now, we're installing a huge exhibition of 16 pieces at the Bond Street club, covering a complete spectrum of what I've been working on for the last three years. They're all sort of brand-driven, and some focus on the Civil Rights Movement and black pride. I'm hoping that the folks that are exercising there get to experience my work in a unique way.
Now you can connect with people all over the city, country, and world with one post on social media. It's really a blessing and a curse, because I think that now you have more people participating for the wrong reasons. As a lifelong artist, I feel like sometimes it's turned into a bit of a circus where people just want attention. I question whether or not some of these people were artists to begin with or just misuse the art form for personal gain.
I travel around the country and paint LOVE murals [each one simply reads 'LOVE']. I never sign them, and it's just a gift to the city, a universal message—you don't look at [a mural of the word LOVE] and wonder 'What are we trying to say here?' For me, public art is really a personal one-on-one relationship with anyone who sees it. I get such a kick out of making things that are going to live with other people.
The love that I get from people when I'm out there making something is just pure gratitude. Because I'm painting 'LOVE' 90 percent of the time, people will take a family photo, or bring their grandmother, or gather outside after a funeral, or even propose in front of it. As an artist, what more can you ask for?
I've recently learned that the interactions can be different for men and women. I was painting a mural in Massachusetts recently, and a woman was painting another wall. When I'm painting, I don't wear headphones, and I stop for anyone that wants to talk. She was wearing headphones and blocking out everything. She told me that often men would come up and say really graphic, horrible things to her. By contrast, people are always saying really amazing things to me. I'd never thought of women being objectified while they're doing this work. It was a strange awakening. We're at a point now where it's time people spoke up about [things like] this.
I think Kanye West is one of most important artists of the last 20 years. I love his drive and determination—he had this crazy idea that he wanted to be a successful music producer. And then to have a nutty idea that he wants to be a recording artist and the greatest of all time. God bless him for having that dream and for executing it.
A lot of the people that inspire me are no longer around, like Bob Marley and John Lennon. They made their art through ideas that changed the human condition, and changed the way people live and are treated and think. I also think Beyoncé understands her power and is using it for good, to try and put positive messages in front of young girls of color.
At this point in my career, I think a lot about legacy projects, which are projects that only people that have been around a long time get to do. [I creative directed and designed] a box set for the Smithsonian National Museum of African-American History and Culture. It's a nine-CD set with a book that incorporates the full history of hip-hop and rap and all the people that made it what it is today. It's going to be the greatest greatest hits collection ever assembled. I could not be more proud of it.
I run a lot and I try to do 25 to 50 push-ups every day. I play a pick-up basketball game that's been going on for like 25 years and I've done that religiously since I was a teenager. I love being outside.
This interview has been edited and condensed for publication.